He makes a low sound in his throat again. As they arrive at the top of the dune his home - which is honestly fairly worn down but more of an old cabin than a hut - comes into view.
"Well, peace certainly is a lie," he said, this time actually sounding bitter, if only a little. "The end point is rather better than what I would have expected. In practice it seems to stop at gaining power."
The Jedi always did have more simplistic tastes -- despite their temple. The Sith on the other hand ... some would erect elaborate fortresses filled with all sorts of possessions. Some made it a point to show off their status in choice of lifestyle.
"Because they believe victory is achieved simply through domination. I won't lie, I wanted all of Coruscant to burn. That was my plan, but the Empire thought otherwise. They wanted to force submission onto a weakened enemy instead. But nothing is more dangerous than an wounded animal."
He looks down at the Jedi's home. It was kinda away from most life, a clever way to hide. Though a single life was easier to pick out among nothingness and Malgus wondered if the Jedi would be better off hiding in a more populated area.
He stopped for a moment at the top of the dune, before beginning the descent toward his house. He thought more about what Malgus had said. He nearly ignored the remark about Coruscant burning, simply because -
Well, at some point he had become inured to such references, and it wasn't as though he hadn't lived very much that.
"I've often wondered about the seemingly endless desire to force submission - and why I think I have viewed nearly all of them as mad. It's that they stop at a desire to dominate. There is nothing else. The domination is the victory and the allusion of power, but it certainly isn't freedom. It's just ...being enslaved in another way."
He stops a split second and realizes: "It's almost a pity you didn't wake up several years earlier. I can think of precisely one Sith you would have liked."
"Yes. As the Sith Empress of my time attempted to do. Domination and control gave her the allusion of power, because she was afraid ... of me."
Which is why he was ultimately frozen in carbonite after her other assurances failed. Though he did have to thank her, if not for her he'd be dead. And the cybernetics in his body were proof of her meddling (beyond the respirator as he got that after a battle with a Jedi).
"Some attempt to show strength merely through cruelty as if that is a true testament to power. Power is getting others to follow and serve you with loyalty and not simply because they are afraid. Those broken and fearful do not make good servants."
He shrugs, very slightly. "Simplified even further, if your idea of power is the ability to force submission, you can never have power. It is impossible to force submission. You can certainly kill someone. You can torture them. You can break them, mentally and physically You cannot make them submit." You can kill me, but you cannot destroy me. He'd said that to Maul.
He pushes the door open when they arrive, and it swings easily, revealing a pretty.. spartan but clean and comfortable enough home. He walks in first, because it's just polite in this instance given the enclosed nature of the space, and the lights come up, albeit slightly, at his entry. "Come in and make yourself comfortable. I'll put tea on and see what I can find out about ships available and how far into the inner rim I can get you."
He almost liked this Jedi. If he were not of the enemy's order, they might actually get along.
Malgus follows Ben into the small house -- it was simple, much like his own quarters. He takes a small moment to glance around. It was so much different than the Sith who lived in extravagant places.
But his mild curiosity did not distract him from the Jedi, whom he also watched. Closely. There was something in how quickly he wanted him to leave. How helpful he's being. It was almost as if ...
"Are you more worried for your own life or the other force sensitive on this planet? The small untrained speck of light I feel in the distance?"
He wasn't going to say that, though not because he was hiding it. Simply because it was true, and that truth was something that left him....
It left him a lot of things.
He made his way to the kitchen and put the water on to heat before Malgus' question stops him in his track. Actually makes him spark up with fear for a moment, and the line of his back and shoulders stiffen.
Then he turns, slowly.
No point lying now, so he looks at the man, dead in the face. "I have no concern for my own life." Please don't make him have to turn this into a fight to protect Luke. Please. He will. He deeply, deeply, deeply does not want to.
Technically Malgus had no order either. He did not know the current Sith and therefore he could not trust them.
It made his life complicated.
The sudden rush of fear makes the Sith lift his head, though he never took his eyes off Ben to begin with. So it was that. He feared for the life of another.
If Ben looked close enough he might feel something akin to sympathy from the Sith. Oddly enough Malgus knows what it's like to want to protect someone else, something he found to be too far great a weakness for him to keep.
He thought back to the Jedi apprentice who hunted him down after he killed her master. He understood her reasons much like he understands this Jedi's.
"Perhaps you should train that one to mask their presence as you should do for yourself." Though Malgus did not know how powerful the Sith of this era were, he was very very attuned to the Dark Side. More so than most.
"You stand out. Like an irritating beacon of light in the Force."
He was looking very closely because his wisest option was now to kill this man, dispose of his body and make the entire thing appear to have never happened.
Wisest for Luke, at any rate, but he wanted no part of that.
Particularly not when he'd not been harmed, or even seriously threatened. Not when he could feel sympathy coming from Malgus. Not when there was no immediate threat, even if there was a threat to Luke now.
"The Sith now aren't particularly adept at reading or seeing anything in the force - it's mostly used like some sort of... blunt instrument of destruction. Raw power or raw energy. They'd have to be within some reasonable distance to notice me at all, and if they're that close I'd rather ...blind them than let their eyes adjust to see the child's presence. I can't shield him for very long, anyway. Too distant and I've never had any great amount of power."
Hm. A child. That made sense given how small the presence felt, how distant it was.
"But they will see it, Jedi. You project yourself. Your desire to protect betrays your intentions."
Malgus was only offering this advice for one simple reason: the Jedi was helping him. And in turn, this is his repayment.
"You take a chance being on this world. You should go to Dromund Kaas. Find the Sith Academy, even if in ruins, it's power would be enough to drown out any light."
"You are right in saying that I should leave." He'd already had that thought, actually.
He'd had it more now that he was releasing a Sith into the Empire with knowledge of where he was. Luke wouldn't particularly matter to the Emperor or even Vader for quite some time. Just some mildly force sensitive child on a backwater planet. He however would interest both of them a great deal.
He finished preparing both cups of tea, and carried them both with him when he returned to Malgus, and put one in his hands. "Please sit." He hadn't meant to forget his manners. He found his own seat in the chair, leaving another chair or small couch for his guest.
"You're also right, of course, that they'd never look for me on such a world, and there would be no... flare to follow. Unfortunately, the last time I was on a Sith World it was Zigoola, and I spent the entirety of the visit hallucinating - save roughly a minute after I broke my leg to gain enough focus to request help. I've no idea what inside the temple ruins was responsible. I suppose I could blame the politician that was with me, but that seems a bit rude."
Malgus takes the tea and uses the force to slightly move a chair before sitting down. He's rather bulky partially due to his height and the armor surrounding his body.
... The cloak also didn't help his stature.
He listened to Malgus and actually might radiate something akin to amusement. It wasn't until he reached up with a free hand towards the side of his to disconnect piece covering his mouth that the smirk he wore showed. There's a small hissing sound sound, and while he doesn't completely remove it, the scars covering his lower jaw and lips are quite visible. He lets it hang still being partially connected at one side.
Obi-Wan could probably feel the dark side expand outward before he pulls it in and uses it to compensate for the disconnected respirator.
After that he pulled back the hood as well. His skin is pale, scarred from both battle and his connection to the dark side.
A deep price to pay for the kind of power he wields.
"I do not know that world, but the places filled with the power of the dark side can be dangerous even to a Sith. Hate can attach itself and refuse to let go, striking at any who draw near. But that does not mean it is impossible to resist. Even for a Jedi."
The idea that the Jedi had to break his leg to save his sanity is nothing short of amusing though.
"Pain can be a powerful force for oneself, though use of it is a trait mostly attributed to the Sith."
He felt as though he should be irritated at the Sith finding him amusing, but he simply did not. Before coming to Tatooine, before every aspect that defined his existence was burned to ash, yes.
Now?
He lacked the sort of pride necessary to be offended, and acceptance was easy when one was living only for a distant future and had nothing worth worrying about the loss of - including pride.
He studied Malgus as he unveiled his face with no revulsion or disturbance, just mild curiosity. He wasn't comfortable with the surge of the Dark, but didn't recoil from that, either. As the Sith described his light, it was... irritating.
Then smiled, slightly, to respond to the rest. "I also used rage and grief to cut a man I was badly outmatched by in half. Nothing is ever entirely black and white - or light and dark."
He took a drink of his tea. "And I'd be interested in knowing how to protect myself but I wouldn't expect that to be information you're prepared to share with me."
Malgus had pride in his skills and powers, his appearance did not matter to him. Some of the other Sith were weirdly narcissistic about that sort of thing, something he did not understand.
He took a drink himself, as much as he could sustain himself with the Force, he was not foolish enough to dismiss the physical needs of the body. Liquid would help, especially on the dusty planet of Tatooine.
"Rage and grief, highly useful tools. I have fought Jedi who have fallen to those emotions, few have been successful."
Very few Jedi have matched him in general. There was one who defeated him due to her own will power and he almost died as a result (though it was his own that kept him alive).
"And you wish to know how to protect yourself from what? The Sith? Or the Dark Side?"
There are very suddenly many questions he wants to ask, as what Malgus just said sounded like a contradiction but didn't feel like one.
He settled, instead, for answering the question he asked. "If you're suggesting I go to a Sith World to hide, having a means of not going insane would be useful."
His smirk never wavered. He felt the Jedi were many things, both foolish and naive were among them. But he's seen far more insane Sith than Jedi.
"There is one force that is the greatest weakness to the Dark Side. One that can drive someone to the dark, but also keeps it from ever fully taking hold."
He sat back, his form straightening in the chair.
"Once a the apprentice to a Jedi Master I slayed attempted to hunt me down. She wanted to hurt me, driven by her grief and anger she wanted me to share in her pain. But she could not fully embrace the dark side and so she failed. What she felt for her Master brought her to that point but also kept her from crossing the line."
He didn't need to think long to at least assume he knew that answer. "She loved him, so she was angry and wanted revenge - but she loved him so she couldn't follow through and betray him."
It was a question, even if it didn't sound like one. He went from sitting normally in his chair to curled up in a way that was a little feline. It didn't mean anything except 'this is his home and he's comfortable in it'.
For a moment Malgus wondered if the idea of love made the Jedi uncomfortable. They were so set in their own ideals of no emotion, most did not pay it a second thought.
If it were a question, it was one Malgus did not answer. Instead he sat back in the chair before reaching up to reconnect the respirator. They could sit in silence if that is what the Jedi wished, but that did not mean his gaze weren't still locked on him. Studying him almost.
An odd, almost curious Jedi, but still a Jedi. So far he's learned a few things from him. At least two Sith in the galaxy and at least two Jedi. This one being in hiding and protecting another force sensitive.
His options were limited and probably the number of allies he held as well. Something Malgus could actually understand.
He looked back while he was watched - even studied - coolly curious but not alarmed or growing restless under a very, frankly, heavy gaze. He didn't refuse to blink, he didn't blink more quickly. He just... watched Malgus watch him.
He wasn't particularly uncomfortable with that, and he wasn't uncomfortable with the concept of love.
Eventually, he slowly raised his eyebrows.
"I'll take that to mean you're finished with the subject. If you'll stop staring at me long enough to allow me to move without feeling I've lost a battle of wills, I will find out the schedule of ships leaving the planet."
"Dromund Kaas. I want to see what has become of it myself." At one point it not only held the Sith Academy but also was the imperial Capital.
And Darth Malgus' homeworld but that was of little interest. He planned on piecing together the full picture of the fall and re-emergence of the Sith for himself before reaching out to the current members of the order.
And well, the Jedi has been helpful so far. Neither of them really had an order anymore. Not really. Malgus didn't know the current Sith, he couldn't just walk back into the picture. He knew it wouldn't be so easy.
Jedi also rarely double cross, and with having no allies, he's have to make do with this one. Even if he hated it.
Going along with a Sith, to a Sith controlled planet, so he could better decide how to better fit himself into Sith society, such as it was.
Malgus would need him to get there. He would need Malgus to survive there - and if he could not figure out how to do that, being left there would be very, very, bad.
"...Have you decided if you're inviting or kidnapping, yet?" He was going either way. He needed away from Luke. "Because I may have an idea." Not just an idea. A plan. A long term, long range one that was crazy, but just might work.
Oh it was a terrible idea, but as long as they had a mutual understanding, Ben would be fine. If they parted ways and then met again in the future? Not so much.
Malgus inclined his head and there was something of a small smirk behind the mask.
"That all depends on your willingness." It could be an invitation or it could be a kidnapping. Either way the Jedi was coming along. The how did not matter to him.
"But I will consider your idea if it is a good one."
"I am almost tempted to feign unwillingness just for the excitement of being kidnapped," he said, and he was only half joking.
"I'll tell you more about my idea once we're underway. It will be a more productive discussion once you know more about both the fall of the Sith Order, and the current government." The databases and news feeds, such as they were, should be a start, at least.
He glanced out the window towards the suns and the horizon. "I'll grab my cloak. I'd pack, but it would ruin the illusion of being kidnapped."
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"Well, peace certainly is a lie," he said, this time actually sounding bitter, if only a little. "The end point is rather better than what I would have expected. In practice it seems to stop at gaining power."
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"Because they believe victory is achieved simply through domination. I won't lie, I wanted all of Coruscant to burn. That was my plan, but the Empire thought otherwise. They wanted to force submission onto a weakened enemy instead. But nothing is more dangerous than an wounded animal."
He looks down at the Jedi's home. It was kinda away from most life, a clever way to hide. Though a single life was easier to pick out among nothingness and Malgus wondered if the Jedi would be better off hiding in a more populated area.
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Well, at some point he had become inured to such references, and it wasn't as though he hadn't lived very much that.
"I've often wondered about the seemingly endless desire to force submission - and why I think I have viewed nearly all of them as mad. It's that they stop at a desire to dominate. There is nothing else. The domination is the victory and the allusion of power, but it certainly isn't freedom. It's just ...being enslaved in another way."
He stops a split second and realizes: "It's almost a pity you didn't wake up several years earlier. I can think of precisely one Sith you would have liked."
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Which is why he was ultimately frozen in carbonite after her other assurances failed. Though he did have to thank her, if not for her he'd be dead. And the cybernetics in his body were proof of her meddling (beyond the respirator as he got that after a battle with a Jedi).
"Some attempt to show strength merely through cruelty as if that is a true testament to power. Power is getting others to follow and serve you with loyalty and not simply because they are afraid. Those broken and fearful do not make good servants."
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He pushes the door open when they arrive, and it swings easily, revealing a pretty.. spartan but clean and comfortable enough home. He walks in first, because it's just polite in this instance given the enclosed nature of the space, and the lights come up, albeit slightly, at his entry. "Come in and make yourself comfortable. I'll put tea on and see what I can find out about ships available and how far into the inner rim I can get you."
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Malgus follows Ben into the small house -- it was simple, much like his own quarters. He takes a small moment to glance around. It was so much different than the Sith who lived in extravagant places.
But his mild curiosity did not distract him from the Jedi, whom he also watched. Closely. There was something in how quickly he wanted him to leave. How helpful he's being. It was almost as if ...
"Are you more worried for your own life or the other force sensitive on this planet? The small untrained speck of light I feel in the distance?"
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That was the living hell of it.
There was no Order.
He wasn't going to say that, though not because he was hiding it. Simply because it was true, and that truth was something that left him....
It left him a lot of things.
He made his way to the kitchen and put the water on to heat before Malgus' question stops him in his track. Actually makes him spark up with fear for a moment, and the line of his back and shoulders stiffen.
Then he turns, slowly.
No point lying now, so he looks at the man, dead in the face. "I have no concern for my own life." Please don't make him have to turn this into a fight to protect Luke. Please. He will. He deeply, deeply, deeply does not want to.
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It made his life complicated.
The sudden rush of fear makes the Sith lift his head, though he never took his eyes off Ben to begin with. So it was that. He feared for the life of another.
If Ben looked close enough he might feel something akin to sympathy from the Sith. Oddly enough Malgus knows what it's like to want to protect someone else, something he found to be too far great a weakness for him to keep.
He thought back to the Jedi apprentice who hunted him down after he killed her master. He understood her reasons much like he understands this Jedi's.
"Perhaps you should train that one to mask their presence as you should do for yourself." Though Malgus did not know how powerful the Sith of this era were, he was very very attuned to the Dark Side. More so than most.
"You stand out. Like an irritating beacon of light in the Force."
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Wisest for Luke, at any rate, but he wanted no part of that.
Particularly not when he'd not been harmed, or even seriously threatened. Not when he could feel sympathy coming from Malgus. Not when there was no immediate threat, even if there was a threat to Luke now.
"The Sith now aren't particularly adept at reading or seeing anything in the force - it's mostly used like some sort of... blunt instrument of destruction. Raw power or raw energy. They'd have to be within some reasonable distance to notice me at all, and if they're that close I'd rather ...blind them than let their eyes adjust to see the child's presence. I can't shield him for very long, anyway. Too distant and I've never had any great amount of power."
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"But they will see it, Jedi. You project yourself. Your desire to protect betrays your intentions."
Malgus was only offering this advice for one simple reason: the Jedi was helping him. And in turn, this is his repayment.
"You take a chance being on this world. You should go to Dromund Kaas. Find the Sith Academy, even if in ruins, it's power would be enough to drown out any light."
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He'd had it more now that he was releasing a Sith into the Empire with knowledge of where he was. Luke wouldn't particularly matter to the Emperor or even Vader for quite some time. Just some mildly force sensitive child on a backwater planet. He however would interest both of them a great deal.
He finished preparing both cups of tea, and carried them both with him when he returned to Malgus, and put one in his hands. "Please sit." He hadn't meant to forget his manners. He found his own seat in the chair, leaving another chair or small couch for his guest.
"You're also right, of course, that they'd never look for me on such a world, and there would be no... flare to follow. Unfortunately, the last time I was on a Sith World it was Zigoola, and I spent the entirety of the visit hallucinating - save roughly a minute after I broke my leg to gain enough focus to request help. I've no idea what inside the temple ruins was responsible. I suppose I could blame the politician that was with me, but that seems a bit rude."
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... The cloak also didn't help his stature.
He listened to Malgus and actually might radiate something akin to amusement. It wasn't until he reached up with a free hand towards the side of his to disconnect piece covering his mouth that the smirk he wore showed. There's a small hissing sound sound, and while he doesn't completely remove it, the scars covering his lower jaw and lips are quite visible. He lets it hang still being partially connected at one side.
Obi-Wan could probably feel the dark side expand outward before he pulls it in and uses it to compensate for the disconnected respirator.
After that he pulled back the hood as well. His skin is pale, scarred from both battle and his connection to the dark side.
A deep price to pay for the kind of power he wields.
"I do not know that world, but the places filled with the power of the dark side can be dangerous even to a Sith. Hate can attach itself and refuse to let go, striking at any who draw near. But that does not mean it is impossible to resist. Even for a Jedi."
The idea that the Jedi had to break his leg to save his sanity is nothing short of amusing though.
"Pain can be a powerful force for oneself, though use of it is a trait mostly attributed to the Sith."
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Now?
He lacked the sort of pride necessary to be offended, and acceptance was easy when one was living only for a distant future and had nothing worth worrying about the loss of - including pride.
He studied Malgus as he unveiled his face with no revulsion or disturbance, just mild curiosity. He wasn't comfortable with the surge of the Dark, but didn't recoil from that, either. As the Sith described his light, it was... irritating.
Then smiled, slightly, to respond to the rest. "I also used rage and grief to cut a man I was badly outmatched by in half. Nothing is ever entirely black and white - or light and dark."
He took a drink of his tea. "And I'd be interested in knowing how to protect myself but I wouldn't expect that to be information you're prepared to share with me."
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He took a drink himself, as much as he could sustain himself with the Force, he was not foolish enough to dismiss the physical needs of the body. Liquid would help, especially on the dusty planet of Tatooine.
"Rage and grief, highly useful tools. I have fought Jedi who have fallen to those emotions, few have been successful."
Very few Jedi have matched him in general. There was one who defeated him due to her own will power and he almost died as a result (though it was his own that kept him alive).
"And you wish to know how to protect yourself from what? The Sith? Or the Dark Side?"
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He settled, instead, for answering the question he asked. "If you're suggesting I go to a Sith World to hide, having a means of not going insane would be useful."
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"There is one force that is the greatest weakness to the Dark Side. One that can drive someone to the dark, but also keeps it from ever fully taking hold."
He sat back, his form straightening in the chair.
"Once a the apprentice to a Jedi Master I slayed attempted to hunt me down. She wanted to hurt me, driven by her grief and anger she wanted me to share in her pain. But she could not fully embrace the dark side and so she failed. What she felt for her Master brought her to that point but also kept her from crossing the line."
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It was a question, even if it didn't sound like one. He went from sitting normally in his chair to curled up in a way that was a little feline. It didn't mean anything except 'this is his home and he's comfortable in it'.
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If it were a question, it was one Malgus did not answer. Instead he sat back in the chair before reaching up to reconnect the respirator. They could sit in silence if that is what the Jedi wished, but that did not mean his gaze weren't still locked on him. Studying him almost.
An odd, almost curious Jedi, but still a Jedi. So far he's learned a few things from him. At least two Sith in the galaxy and at least two Jedi. This one being in hiding and protecting another force sensitive.
His options were limited and probably the number of allies he held as well. Something Malgus could actually understand.
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He wasn't particularly uncomfortable with that, and he wasn't uncomfortable with the concept of love.
Eventually, he slowly raised his eyebrows.
"I'll take that to mean you're finished with the subject. If you'll stop staring at me long enough to allow me to move without feeling I've lost a battle of wills, I will find out the schedule of ships leaving the planet."
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Otherwise he just gestured at Ben with a shrug. He could move if wanted. Malgus wasn't planning on stopping him.
"I doubt there will be many headed to where we will be headed."
Did he just imply the Jedi is coming with him? Maybe.
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He smirked faintly in response to it, but quickly got reduced and stopped from moving to collect a datapad by the rest. That was a surprise.
He blinked a few times and cocked an eyebrow up. "Is that an invitation or are you kidnapping me?" Was that a joke? Maybe. "Where are we going?"
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And Darth Malgus' homeworld but that was of little interest. He planned on piecing together the full picture of the fall and re-emergence of the Sith for himself before reaching out to the current members of the order.
And well, the Jedi has been helpful so far. Neither of them really had an order anymore. Not really. Malgus didn't know the current Sith, he couldn't just walk back into the picture. He knew it wouldn't be so easy.
Jedi also rarely double cross, and with having no allies, he's have to make do with this one. Even if he hated it.
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Going along with a Sith, to a Sith controlled planet, so he could better decide how to better fit himself into Sith society, such as it was.
Malgus would need him to get there. He would need Malgus to survive there - and if he could not figure out how to do that, being left there would be very, very, bad.
"...Have you decided if you're inviting or kidnapping, yet?" He was going either way. He needed away from Luke. "Because I may have an idea." Not just an idea. A plan. A long term, long range one that was crazy, but just might work.
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Malgus inclined his head and there was something of a small smirk behind the mask.
"That all depends on your willingness." It could be an invitation or it could be a kidnapping. Either way the Jedi was coming along. The how did not matter to him.
"But I will consider your idea if it is a good one."
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"I'll tell you more about my idea once we're underway. It will be a more productive discussion once you know more about both the fall of the Sith Order, and the current government." The databases and news feeds, such as they were, should be a start, at least.
He glanced out the window towards the suns and the horizon. "I'll grab my cloak. I'd pack, but it would ruin the illusion of being kidnapped."
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I'm not sure how much of this malgus personally knows but fuck it I do what I want
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